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(I changed the title from “Joseph Prince 1 John 1v9 Sermon Discussion” to “The 1 John 1v9 Controversy” seeing that this position is not unique to J. Prince. In fact I’ve become increasingly aware that its a common position amongst charismatics so it seems inaccurate to attach any one preachers name to this position.)
I list the verse in a couple of different translations:
1 John 1:9 NASB If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9 KJV If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Joseph Prince preached on 1 John 1v9-10 can be listened to from [Sorry, video site no longer available, download the audio tracks below instead.]
Or individually can be downloaded in 9 parts from here:
Joseph Prince claims that 1 John 1 was not written to Christians and that the dialogue to Christians didn’t begin until chapter 2. He claims that chapter one was written to a certain group of people referred to as Jewish gnostics. The case put forward, as I understand it, is that sins are not imputed to a Christian (cf Rom 4:8). Therefore, they argue, that it is not relevant to ask God for forgiveness, today.
You may wish to compare with Andrew Wommack’s teaching on the same verse from here. He makes a similar case.
Here is an update to this on the 16th June, 2012. The original post I made on christianforums.com can be found here. This thread has become quite long now so its taking me a bit of time to get reacquainted with it. It appears to cover these points:
Parts of the thread have “bogged down” in the age-old eternal vs conditional security debate.
All in all its proving to being quite an involved discussion.
Here is another thread I stumbled across on same topic:
Another thread on Lampstand also covers the same topic can be found
One person replied to my post about an official statement made by Rhema bible college about this verse which can be found here.
The questions that I am personally pondering about 1 John 1:9 at the moment are the following:
Comments about “hamartia”
The greek word “hamartia” which is translated sin. An article can be found about it on wikipedia here.
Here is the original greek taken from ISA. ISA can be downloaded from here for those interested.
Notice the word for sin used in 1 John 1v9 is “harmartias” which is the plural of “hamartia”.